This week on The Sunday Self Podcast, Marie and Katie sit down for one of their most honest and heartfelt conversations yet—grief. Together, we explore the many forms grief can take: losing someone you love, grieving relationships, versions of yourself, missed dreams, and the life you thought you’d have.

Through personal reflection and conversation, Marie and Katie remind you that grief isn’t linear, something to “fix,” or something you simply move on from. It’s messy, unpredictable, deeply human—and you don’t have to navigate it alone.

Be gentle with yourself wherever you are in your journey. There is no right way to grieve—only your way.