Have you ever noticed that scientists historically are mostly white men? Do you think that this fact has skewed some scientific findings? Well, our guest today on Sea Change Radio has certainly noticed. This week, we speak to glaciologist M Jackson, who’s drawn attention from the right wing for the feminist perspective she applies to her research. We discuss her new book, The Secret Lives of Glaciers, dive into her research, and examine how and why science has been influenced by centuries of white male dominance.

Narrator  0:02  This is Sea Change Radio covering the shift to sustainability. I'm Alex Wise.

M. Jackson 0:22 All right, we need to be saying what is the transformation that's happening? glacier change wildfires, sea level backyards? What is the transformation? How are all of us experiencing this? And what are our commonalities? What are our values? We need to be willing to have a complex conversation about these changes. We need to allow that sometimes someone's going to be having maybe a short term benefit a full bank account as a perceived sense of safety. Someone might be having a short term negative impact. But regardless, we're all impacted. And that's how we move forward when we think about climate change.

Narrator  1:00  Have you ever noticed that scientists historically are mostly white men? Do you think that this fact has skewed some scientific findings? Well, our guest today on sea change radio is certainly noticed. This week we speak to glaciologist M. Jackson, who's drawn attention from the right wing for the feminist perspective she applies to her research, we discuss her new book, The Secret lives of glaciers dive into her research and examine how and why science has been influenced by centuries of white male dominance.

Alex Wise - I'm joined now on Sea Change Radio by M. Jackson. She is a National Geographic Explorer, TED fellow and author and her latest book is entitled "The Secret Lives of Glaciers. M, welcome to Sea Change Radio.

M. Jackson - Thank you for having me.

Alex Wise - So this is not your first book correct

M. Jackson 2:15 No, this is my second book. My first book is called "While Glaciers Slept: Being Human in the Time of Climate Change."

Alex Wise  2:23  So why don't you explain to us what looking at glaciology through a feminist lens means.

M. Jackson 2:28 So my approach to glaciology which is could be characterized as a feminist approach to glaciology basically looks at existing glaciology and adds and builds. So what we've done really well is look at glaciers for the last 100 150 years or so and look at it through a look at glaciers through a physical science lens, we've learned a great deal through monitoring and measuring. And looking at ice in that way. The work that I do, adds in a human component. What's interesting about ice today is that we have glaciers in the Arctic, we have glaciers in Antarctica, we have glaciers all over the world, in the Middle East. In Asia, in North America, we have glaciers in Africa, and everywhere glaciers are located. They're located in inhabited and historic environments where there are glaciers that are people and the two have been interacting for the entirety of human history, we actually know very little about that. So what I do is take existing glaciological research work that we've done really well from the physical sciences, and add in that human component. So if we're looking at glaciers that are in North America up in Alaska, or glaciers in Africa, or glaciers in Iceland, I start adding in all of those human stories of how people in ice interact together. Because today,