A lively MacVoices Live! panel debates GM's CarPlay removal—using a shaky Steve Jobs analogy—arguing the real motive is subscriptions and data. Chuck Joiner, Marty Jencius, Web Bixby, Jim Rea, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Eric Bolden, and David Ginsburg contrast Toyota's deeper CarPlay/Maps EV integration and note renter demand, plus which brands still lack it. Also covered: Google Pixel 911 call problems, an Atlas browser clipboard flaw, and Neato ending cloud support early for robot vacuums amid Roomba's struggles.

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Show Notes:

Chapters:

[0:08] Intro and sponsor mention [1:16] GM drops CarPlay; Jobs analogy picked apart [4:45] Monetization motives: subscriptions and data [7:14] Will others follow? Toyota expands CarPlay/Maps [8:54] Rental car demand for CarPlay [11:14] Who doesn't support CarPlay: quick list [12:24] Panelist joins; brief iPad training aside [15:01] Google Pixel 911 calling issues [16:38] Atlas browser clipboard vulnerability [19:18] Neato ends cloud support early [23:21] Roomba financial troubles; alternatives [24:25] Real-world robot vacuum experiences [27:38] Wrap and credits

Links:

GM removing CarPlay from more cars, bizarrely citing Steve Jobs as inspiration https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/22/gm-removing-carplay-from-more-cars-bizarrely-citing-steve-jobs-as-inspiration/

Google Pixels Are Still Having Problems Calling 911 https://lifehacker.com/tech/google-pixels-are-still-getting-911-bugs

ChatGPT's AI Browser Has a Nasty Security Vulnerability https://lifehacker.com/tech/chatgpt-atlas-clipboard-injection-vulnerability

Neato cloud shutdown sees robocleaners robbed of their smarts https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/27/neato-cloud-shutdown-is-the-latest-example-of-a-failed-company-bricking-smart-products/

OpenAI just bought the team behind Apple Shortcuts https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/23/openai-just-bought-the-team-behind-apple-shortcuts/

iCloud data helps crack NBA and mob poker scheme https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/10/24/how-icloud-backups-helped-expose-a-mob-and-nba-linked-poker-cheating-scandal

PSA: Here's why a cosmic orange iPhone 17 Pro can turn rose gold https://9to5mac.com/2025/10/21/viral-rose-gold-iphone-17-pro-discoloration/

Guests:

Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, but prefers Bluesky.

Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at [email protected], on Mastodon at @[email protected], on his blog, Trending At Work, and as co-host on The Vision ProFiles podcast.

Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @[email protected].

Jeff Gamet is a technology blogger, podcaster, author, and public speaker. Previously, he was The Mac Observer's Managing Editor, and the TextExpander Evangelist for Smile. He has presented at Macworld Expo, RSA Conference, several WordCamp events, along with many other conferences. You can find him on several podcasts such as The Mac Show, The Big Show, MacVoices, Mac OS Ken, This Week in iOS, and more. Jeff is easy to find on social media as @jgamet on Twitter and Instagram, jeffgamet on LinkedIn., @[email protected] on Mastodon, and on his YouTube Channel at YouTube.com/jgamet.

David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and related technologies. He is an IT professional supporting Mac, iOS and Windows users. Visit his YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/daveg65 and find and follow him on Twitter @daveg65 and on Mastodon at @[email protected].

Dr. Marty Jencius has been an Associate Professor of Counseling at Kent State University since 2000. He has over 120 publications in books, chapters, journal articles, and others, along with 200 podcasts related to counseling, counselor education, and faculty life. His technology interest led him to develop the counseling profession 'firsts,' including listservs, a web-based peer-reviewed journal, The Journal of Technology in Counseling, teaching and conferencing in virtual worlds as the founder of Counselor Education in Second Life, and podcast founder/producer of CounselorAudioSource.net and ThePodTalk.net. Currently, he produces a podcast about counseling and life questions, the Circular Firing Squad, and digital video interviews with legacies capturing the history of the counseling field. This is also co-host of The Vision ProFiles podcast. Generally, Marty is chasing the newest tech trends, which explains his interest in A.I. for teaching, research, and productivity. Marty is an active presenter and past president of the NorthEast Ohio Apple Corp (NEOAC).

Jim Rea built his own computer from scratch in 1975, started programming in 1977, and has been an independent Mac developer continuously since 1984. He is the founder of ProVUE Development, and the author of Panorama X, ProVUE's ultra fast RAM based database software for the macOS platform. He's been a speaker at MacTech, MacWorld Expo and other industry conferences. Follow Jim at provue.com and via @[email protected] on Mastodon.

Guy Serle, best known for being one of the co-hosts of the MyMac Podcast, sincerely apologizes for anything he has done or caused to have happened while in possession of dangerous podcasting equipment. He should know better but being a blonde from Florida means he's probably incapable of understanding the damage he has wrought. Guy is also the author of the novel, The Maltese Cube. You can follow his exploits on Twitter, catch him on Mac to the Future on Facebook, at @[email protected], and find everything at VertShark.com.

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