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Mark Gober, Upside Down UFO/ET |567|

08.30.2022 - By Alex TsakirisPlay

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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: On, this episode of Skeptiko… a show about looking for a hero.

[00:00:07] clip: The final part of the secret is that you deserve to feel M. Look at you it’s robotic. So vain. Any bit of culture you have is ruined by self importance and egotism there is no doubt. You all are in need of a hero.

Someone brave enough to confront me and control me, but this will not come to pass. I am the villain. You are stuck with. What hero would want to save you?

[00:00:38] Alex Tsakiris: And finding. Very very close to home. Like in the mirror.

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[00:00:44] Mark Gober: And it’s in many ways, anti-human, anti-life, it’s just like, ah, humans are whatever we should just enhance ourselves and forget about it. So I have this very skeptical conspiratorial lens of what’s happening in the world. Think we need to be very careful about some of the things that might sound benevolent and maybe some of the people involved have a benevolent intent, but who knows what could that do to our soul?

[00:01:05] Mark Gober: it is love and light, but we’ve gotta be tough and that’s something I don’t see as much in the spiritual.

[00:01:11] Alex Tsakiris: That first clip was from the very excellent mouthy Buddha. . And the second is from today’s returning guest, mark Ober. Who came to talk about E T.

And wound I’m talking about a lot of other stuff as well.Stick around. I think this is a great conversation with a truly, truly great and important thinker.

[00:01:38] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome. Toal where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I, your host Alex secures. And today we welcome back mark. Gober to skeptical. Mark. If you’re at all familiar with this show, especially the last couple years, you will definitely remember the interviews that we’ve had with him.

, the first was few years ago back, he wrote this really amazing book and into upside down thinking dispelling the myth that the brain produces consciousness, duh, and the implications for everyday life, or we should say really the implications for the SIOP that wants to tell you that, that duh, isn’t a da that you should really take that seriously.

But mark does an awesome job. Awesome job of breaking that down. He’s also written several other books in this upside down series, but his latest really caught my attention. Even though we did an interview with him not too long ago. This is, I mean, this guy is really such a next level thinker and it’s just always fantastic to talk to him, but here’s the latest one.

Check this out, cuz this is, this is challenging and end to upside down contact UFO, aliens, and spirits, and why their ongoing interaction with human civilization matters. Wow. I mean that is, that is really powerful stuff. Mark. Welcome. Thanks for coming back on.

[00:03:15] Mark Gober: Well thank you for having me, Alex.

[00:03:17] Alex Tsakiris: You know, I was just.

Teeing up chatting with you for just a second. And I was saying, you know, my big question when I get to this topic and I always think about this and I never articulate it is are we flying too close to the sun here? And I think all your books risk doing that. But I always wonder when we talk about this stuff, like.

I don’t have like a big, huge profile or anything like that,

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