Upaya Zen Center's Dharma Podcast

Natalie Goldberg: Between Two Pines

03.04.2019 - By Joan Halifax | Zen Buddhist Teacher Upaya AbbotPlay

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Natalie Goldberg asks a fundamental question in this talk: what does it mean to realize ourselves? In answer, she explains, “Realizing ourselves is not what we think realizing ourselves is. It’s not one thing that will do it. If you sit zazen, or if you do writing practice, we’re endless, and we’re not only endless, there’s no beginning or end.” Natalie discusses uplifting political news, advice for living and dying, advice for writing, and, of course, insightful poetry. Quoting the female haiku master, Chiyo-ni, Natalie reads, “Clear water, no front, no back.”

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