Sam Perkins and George Lynch are Tar Heel legends and NCAA basketball national champions - Sam in '82 and George in '93. As Black athletes, Sam and George have had to navigate whether to stand up for what's right or to stay quiet on the issues that matter.

Today, Dr. Debby Stroman talks to Sam and George about their experiences as players, coaches, and parents, how athletes today can use their voices, and how Coach Dean Smith would have reacted to the racial tension in our country.

If You Only Knew...with Dr. Debby Stroman is edited and produced by Earfluence, and brought to you by The Diversity Movement.

Intro and outro music provided by Soteria Shepperson.

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