Through the 00's and four studio albums, Allan led the "baroque pop" Oklahoma band Starlight Mints. Then he met his wife Barb; as doubleVee, they've released two albums and an EP since 2017.

The three of us talk about "The Middle Side of Me" from Treat Her Strangely (2022), then the title track from Jack the Rider (2017), then "Submarine #3" by Starlight Mints from The Dream That Stuff Was Made Of (2000). End song: "Map the Channels" from Songs for Birds and Bats (2019). Intro: "Eyes of the Night" by Starlight Mints from Drowaton (2006). More at doublevee.net.

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