Musician Katie Miller (katedressedup.bandcamp.com) joins Bill and Brian to dive into Okkervil River's the Stand Ins (2008, Jajaguwar). Katie talks about discovering the band via Bon Iver's cover of "Blue Tulip" and how frontman Will Sheff's lyrical acumen drew her in. Bill, Brian, and Katie discuss why we chose this album over others, caring about lyrics, how Sheff's voice is on the fence of the indie-emo and indie-folk movements, Brian Cassidy's contributions as an arranger and multi-intrumentalist, dueting with Shearwater's Jonathan Meiburg, Charles Bissell's guest appearance, the narrative on the nature of art and pop music that runs through the album, the option of succeeding, quitting, or dying, and much more as we make our way through the album track by track!