Emma Webb, author of Historic, exposes the untold history of Olga Gymnastics club and the Phelps family legacy. We break down the abuse scandal, the Whyte Review, Gymnasts for Change, and how survivors pushed British Gymnastics to finally reform.

INTERVIEW

We talk with Emma Webb (pseudonym), author of the new book Historic: The True Legacy of Childhood Sport - The Book Every Parent Needs to Read, a memoir detailing the trauma and abuse she endured under convicted child sex offender Brian Phelps, plus the aftermath of how the British legal system chose to protect abusers over children

CHAPTERS (pre-auto inserted ads)

00:00 – Trigger Warning SA

01:03 – Brian Phelps' criminal charges and conviction

01:39 – The broader British gymnastics abuse reckoning

02:01 – Gymnasts for Change and the Whyte Review

02:36 – Restorative Program & the £15,000 split survivor offer

03:28 – How Emma first contacted GymCastic

03:44 – The long-term psychological and medical impact

04:10 – Doctors discovering internal injuries from childhood abuse

06:10 – Phelps' police interviews and his admissions

07:26 – Why survivors didn't pursue further prosecution

08:05 – Brian and Monica's life in France & public exposure

10:19 – Mapping all Olga locations & survivor triggers

11:05 – The pandemic pause and worsening mental health

11:33 – Discovery of the Phelps Legacy Club in 2022

12:10 – Multiple Phelps family members and their roles

12:22 – The "new" Renascence club operating despite convictions

12:28 – Timeline of Phelps fleeing & survivor disclosures

13:01 – A disturbing encounter: the club near Emma's son's bus stop

14:20 – Emma's decision: "Enough." Why she wrote Historic

15:06 – Reporting to the Whyte Review & British Athletes Commission

16:30 – Why reporting in the UK is a bureaucratic nightmare

17:36 – How reporting was mishandled & why systems fail

18:22 – How British Gymnastics and the council were complicit in Brian Phelps crimes

19:24 – Employment history: Phelps employed by the government & BBC

21:00 – Coaches and community "knew something was wrong"

21:14 – Other roles Monica and Brian held despite accusations

21:23 – The name "Renaissance" and why it matters

22:03 – How the club reopened after his release

22:45 – A fully avoidable tragedy: Phelps' first arrest in 1966

23:31 – Commonwealth Games cover-up to protect his career

24:34 – Royal audiences for Phelps & protected reputations

25:05 – The 10-year gap between his arrest and Emma meeting him

26:09 – How court attitudes toward sexual abuse haven't changed

27:03 – The Nik Stuart Foundation honoring Monica Phelps

28:13 – British Gymnastics leadership celebrating the Phelps family

29:29 – Video clip from the ceremony: denial of the Whyte Review

30:23 – Widespread knowledge in diving and gymnastics

32:03 – Comparing the Whyte Review to US investigations

33:25 – How the Whyte Review minimized sexual abuse

34:00 – Abuse in British Gymnastics: a larger pattern

35:55 – Non-sexual forms of abuse and lifelong harm

36:20 – Warning signs parents should not ignore

37:04 – Why the culture enables predators

38:17 – Parents' responsibility & due diligence

39:26 – Closed-door clubs & lingering dangers

40:39 – Male survivors vs. female survivors: unequal response

41:13 – How BG acted quickly for boys, not for girls

42:06 – Phelps' public statement denying Emma's reporting

43:29 – No mandatory reporting for the public in the UK

44:33 – Comparison to mandatory reporting vs good samaritan laws

45:05 – The UK protects money better than children

45:46 – How political leadership minimizes child abuse

46:12 – British boarding school culture & abuse

47:10 – What reforms are needed: national banned list & ombudsman

48:05 – Name changes allow offenders to disappear

48:14 – Hundreds of convicted offenders now untraceable

48:18 – How many survivors have come forward

49:01 – How many survivors known before the book

49:27 – Realizing past abuse only after adulthood

50:07 – Childhood context and normalization of abuse

51:01 – "Trust and Obey" culture at Olga and British school

52:53 – The moment Emma became a survivor, not a victim

53:30 – Returning to Olga decades later

54:01 – Parental responses and guilt

55:05 – What acknowledging PTSD unlocked

56:02 – How the trauma resurfaced during the pandemic

57:23 – Complex PTSD and real recovery work

58:07 – Finding effective PTSD support

TOPICS

• Read Whyte Review Investigation, a full independent review into the allegations of abuse in British Gymnastics
• How we got in contact with Webb after our Commentator Hall of Shame episode
• What moved Webb to write this book?
• How many times had Brian Phelps been investigated and was still allowed to coach?
• That time Monica Phelps (neé Rutherford) was still recognized at an award banquet and thanked her "partner"
• How can we convince parents to act quickly and take their children out of dangerous situations?
• Difference between how British Gymnastics treated male victims vs female victims?
• Should countries pass mandatory abuse reporting laws similar to good samaritan laws?
• How she finally got help and finding a great therapist.
• Silver linings in her journey.
• What does justice look like for Emma.

RELATED:

• GymCastic's Safeguarding checklist - questions everyone should ask a gym before signing up or working at a gymnastics club
• Historic book website
• Brian Phelps diving when he should have been in jail
• BBC Gymnastics historical sex abuse case: Survivor claims 'catastrophic failures'
• Monica Phelps awarded at 2003 Nik Stuart Foundation
• Mike Swallow speaks against Whyte Review at Nik Stuart Foundation awards
• Olga Gymnastics / Renascence Club corporate documents
• British Gymnastics hired private investigator to track down survivors of judge
• British Gymnastics banned list
• Report - Childhood trauma increases risk of MS
• SafeSport Training
• British Gymnastics Safeguarding
• The Balance: My Years Coaching Simone Biles
• Aly Raisman book
• GymCastic Episodes
  • Gymnastics Commentary Hall of Shame
  • Aly Raisman Interview
  • British Ute Amelie Morgan
  • Lady Lisa Mason
  • Beth Tweddle Interview

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