Will and Kenzie live in Idaho and are into ultrarunning, mountaineering, distance swimming, sailing, rock climbing, and other outdoor sports. We talk about training, supporting each other, life lessons from endurance events, developing discipline, alcohol, caffeine, offshore sailing, the psychology of those of us drawn to endurance sports, the benefits of difficult goals, getting back to our primal selves, dopamine, the downside of instant gratification, preventing injury, happiness, and more!