He’s inspired thousands of people to believe in God and follow Jesus.

But he also remembers when a friend told him, “You never smile.”

It’s a conversation that stuck with Pastor Knute Larson for the rest of his life. As he preached for more than five decades and spent extra time coaching pastors and teaching in Seminary, Knute always brings a smile.

Why? What’s so important or game-changing about a seemingly small expression?

In today’s episode, Gary welcomes back Dr Knute Larson, beaming in from the shores of Lake Michigan to do it one more time - urge pastors to smile!

Perhaps it’s what you needed today as a leader. Maybe it will remind you to pursue joy in everyday life. If nothing else, some of Knute and Gary’s rabbit trails will make you laugh. You might even smile!