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People called him a fraud, a fake dating coach, even a Maxwell wannabe. But Van Johnson says they got it twisted.

In this episode, I sat down with Van (@_vanjohnson) to break down his infamous Pop the Balloon with  @ArletteAmuli and why he thinks women weren’t being real on the show, and how he uses moments like that as “teachable lessons” for men.

We talk about everything from dating apps, attraction, body counts, to whether men or women are really “the prize.” Plus, Van ends the episode by showing another side of himself. singing one of his original songs.

It’s one of those conversations you don’t forget.

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