"We need to keep our eyes on the mission and realize that we need each other if we are going to pull this off."-Francis Chan (Until Unity)

On occasion, Luke Pollock and I jump on an evening phone call that inevitably turns into a 1 or even 2 hour deep dive into a host of ministry topics. On this particular call, we decided to turn on the microphone to just capture the essence of what our discussions normally sound like. So we invite you to be a "fly on the wall" and join us for this candid--and even somewhat uncomfortable-conversation about division and unity in American Christianity and the church.