Alabama head coach Nick Saban and Rich discuss why 170-pound Heisman Trophy-winning WR DeVonta Smith is NOT too small to succeed in the NFL, how college recruiting compares to scouting for the NFL Draft, if the College Football Playoff should expand beyond four teams, the art of motivating players of different personality types, what happened the first time he met Bill Belichick, his advice for Urban Meyer and what he did three decades ago when his wife told him to hire the then-obscure coach, and if he would ever consider returning to the pro ranks.

NFL Films producer Ken Rodgers and Rich discuss Steve Sabol’s impact on league history with his NFL Films productions that have resulted in 132 Emmy Awards over the decades, his new ESPN 30-for-30 ‘Al Davis vs. the NFL’ documentary, why he chose to use Deep Fake technology to aid in the telling of the Al Davis vs. Pete Rozelle story, and his quest to find those mythic NSFW outtakes by legendary NFL Films’ voice John Facenda. 

Rich wraps up the hour recounting the first time he met NFL Films found Ed Sabol at the NFL Network studio, and reacting to the Raptors deciding to play the rest of their season in Tampa.

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