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[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: On this episode of skeptiko, A guest appearance that started out great.

[00:00:08] Rob MacGregor: welcome back, Alex.

[00:00:10] Alex Tsakiris: To see you, Alex, you Rob . Thank you, Trish. Thanks to both of you. And then went totally off the rails.

[00:00:18] Rob MacGregor: I mean, you don’t always look at science, uh, Alex, I mean, you believe in Pizzagate for Christ’s sake. I mean, that’s crazy. That’s totally crazy.

[00:00:32] Alex Tsakiris: That’s that’s a great one in the time. In the time that we have left, what do you understand Pizzagate to be Rob?

I just don’t. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You brought it up Hal but what do you understand? Pizza? Well,

[00:00:38] Trish MacGregor: is it something against Hillary Clinton?

[00:00:40] Alex Tsakiris: Right,

[00:00:41] Rob MacGregor: right

[00:00:41] Alex Tsakiris: then that very much hill,

[00:00:43] Rob MacGregor: okay. Hillary Clinton had had this basement under a pizza shop and she was screwing boys or something, uh, P sex, some pedophiles, uh, some sex.

And it was totally ridiculous. And as a result of the right wing, uh, conspiracy theory about this, uh, saying it over and over again, when you say something over and over again, like Trump says things over and over, people start to believe it. And so some guy came with a shotgun or a rifle into that pizza shop, looking for the basement.

A and you don’t really believe this. Do you Alex,

[00:01:18] Alex Tsakiris: see Rob you’re you are so incredibly misinformed. I don’t believe you spew this stuff out like that. Here’s what, here’s what Pizzagate was .

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[00:01:26] Alex Tsakiris: The emails, reference spirit cooking, which was very offensive to a lot of people of a kind of Christian persuasion. Yeah. And then you’d have to understand what spirit cooking is and you’d have to understand what, uh, Crowley, you know, is the guy who kind of directed that.

So right. You’d have to dive deep into the cul and understand that have intelligent conversation, but I want you to, I just want you to own. I just want you to own what you said, Rob, because what you said was just not, you, you started out by saying Alex, you believe in Pizzagate, and I’ve just demonstrated to you that you have no idea what Pizzagate was.

You had it all wrong. That’s what Pizzagate was. Now the fact that a guy did take a gun and go shoot up that, that. That restaurant and he really just shot the safe is what has become the meme that people like you pick up on and say, that’s Pizzagate some right wing nut, conspiracy, theorist shot up this thing.

It’s much more accurate to say what Pizzagate was, was these, these emails that were released in an attempt to undermine Hillary Clinton’s campaign by painting her to be connected to a cult practices. And well, particularly what they, what really stuck was that she was connected to a cult practices, right.