30. Rutger Bregman on human nature, COVID, Biden, climate emergency and Davos

Rutger Bregman is a famed Dutch historian and writer, whose celebrated books include Utopia for Realists and Humankind. In this interview, we talk about whether the pandemic will change society, on Biden and the Democrats, about ideas like the 4 day week and basic income, the climate emergency, his viral speech at Davos, and how we build a different world.

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