Host Jim Malliard was joined by friend and periodic guest Chris George Zuger, who took a skeptical look at the UFO and disclosure community. Chris argued that the field is driven by entertainment and business interests rather than legitimate research. He doesn't believe advanced alien civilizations are visiting Earth or collaborating with governments, as he feels they would avoid our "dysfunctional" species. Chris and Jim discussed how media and conspiracy thinking have changed over the years, with Chris saying many theories are now too "insane" to take seriously. They also reminisced about collaborating in the past and complimented each other's growth and successes.

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