"Moving from dream to desire to reality." That describes the life of our magical friend, activist and photographer, Lucero Gonzalez. At 72, Lucero's feminism, her love of freedom and pleasure, her artistry, her Oaxacan roots, and her profound connection to family and friends all blend, beautifully, into an extraordinary range of creative and social justice initiatives that enlighten and challenge us. These days, she spends her time curating the ever-growing virtual Museum of Mexican Women Artists (MUMA) and producing a documentary about the creation of el Colectivo La Revuelta- a feminist newspaper she started with close friends in the 1970s. We visited Lucero -- and her partner of 30+ years, political cartoonist Gonzalo Rocha -- in Mexico City this summer and marveled at the endless joy and generosity they share so willingly. We interviewed Lucero in Spanish and so - for another TOB first -- we've produced two episodes. You can listen to Lucero in Spanish or you can listen to the wonderful Sandra Garcia Betancourt (TOB, Episode #2, Season 1) re-enact our conversation in English. One way or the other, here's our invitation to spend some time in the light and love that Lucero offers to the world. And be sure to visit her virtual museum (http://www.museodemujeres.com/en/) and stay tuned for her upcoming documentary.

SO5 Episode 04: Lucero Gonzalez – The Feminist Who Could (English version)

Love your bitchy self! Join us – Idelisse Malavé and Joanne Sandler the Two Old Bitches (from New York City) – as we celebrate kick-ass, unstoppable women from around the world. Women over 50 tell us how they re-imagine their lives, their bodies, their relationships and their creativity as they go through huge transitions. The 87-year old former dance teacher who lived with Andy Warhol in the 1960s and became an accomplished painter in her 80s; the 79-year old Australian activist who left her country for 44 years and returned in her 60s to create a new love life and home; the 55-year old Indian American feminist who transitions from fierce feminist activist to shamanic healer. Be inspired! Laugh and cry with us! Contact us and let us interview you!

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American sculptor Jeanne Silverthorne, 73, is an “artist’s artist” known for cast rubber pieces and installations drawn from her studio, turning everyday objects and people into “metaphors for the inevitability of age and decay, …tempered with humor, hope and humanity.” (For photos of a favorite work of ours, Banshee: Self-Portrait at 73, see our website and social media.) She has showed her work at leading New York galleries for decades (currently at the Marc Straus Gallery) and in one-person exhibits including PS1 and the Whitney Museum in New York and the Institute of Contemporary Art in Philadelphia. Jeanne is on the faculty of the School for Visual Arts and has written extensively about art in a range of publications, most recently in the Brooklyn Rail with “Playing It Out” about aging as an artist. She is witty and wise, and surprisingly shy though you’d never guess it. More about that in our lively conversation with the delightful, insightful and gifted Jeanne Silverthorne. ------------------------------ Visit www.twooldbitches.com Follow us on Instagram @twooldbitches, Twitter @TwoOldBitches, Facebook @TwoOBPodcast Created, Produced and hosted by Joanne Sandler &  Idelisse Malavé Edited by Jeyda Bicer Social media management by Loubna Bouajaj  

SO 9 Episode 05: Age Has Revealed My Nature to Me

Who Are You? It’s a simple and profound question that we ask (almost) every guest on Two Old Bitches. And given that most of our guests are women over 60, we were curious if a review of their answers might reveal some patterns or insights into how we identify as we age. What we found: for some people, it still changes daily. Others had epiphanies early in life and still identify with that early notion of who they are. And then there are those who are completely stumped by the thought of describing who they are. The 80+ responses from our guests to this question fall into six categories.  All of them speak to an inspiring insight: no matter their age or circumstance, our guests live very much in the present and manage a beautiful blend of respect for their pasts and aspirations for the future. So before you listen, take a minute, answer the question for yourself. “Who Are You?” And then listen to the diverse and delightful reflections that these 19 guests offer on who they are.   In this episode, you will hear the voices of (in this order):  Chiemi Karasawa (Season 5, Ep 7)  Lucero Gonzalez (Season 5, Ep 4) /Sandra Garcia Betancourt (Season 1, Ep 2)  Cynthia Madansky (Season 5, Ep 9)  Geeta Misra (Season 4, Ep 1)  Sandra Guzman (Season 5, Ep 1)  Inca Mohammed (Season 2, Ep 9)  Tracy Hyter Suffern (Season 4, Ep 8)  Claron M. McFadden (Season 7, Ep 1)  Ruth Strassberg (Season 5, Ep 10)  Srilatha Batliwala (Season 6, Ep 7)  Branca Moreira Alves (Season 8, Ep 10)  Nadine Hack (Season 7, Ep 9)  Jaune Evans (Season 2, Ep 4)  Donna Uchizono (Season 8, Ep 7)  Sharon Louden (Season 4, Ep 7)  Sari Botton (Season 7, Ep 7)  Ayesha Pande (Season 8, Ep 2)  Stephen Williams (Season 8, Ep 1)  Marlyse Yearby (Season 8, Ep 5)

SO 9 Episode 04: Who Are You?

If you were deeply enmeshed in the ‘womyn’s’ music scene or romped topless through the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festivals in the 1970s and 1980s, then you will pulsate with memories of the amazing, kick-ass all-women’s rock group, Fanny. Even if you missed it, we hope you can imagine how revolutionary and transgressive Fanny was in its heyday in the early 70s. Which is why we were thrilled to find June Millington -- wild woman, lead guitarist and the band’s co-founder -- as kick-ass now as she was 50 years ago. At 75, June and her partner, Ann Hackler, run the Institute for Musical Arts in Goshen MA – hosting a recording studio and  annual camps that show scores of girls and young women the power of rock and roll to be their ‘get out of jail free’ card, just as it was for June and her sister Jean when, in early adolescence, they picked up their first ukuleles in the Philippines. You can immerse yourself in Fanny’s story, from their origins to meeting with the Beatles, playing back-up for Barbara Streisand, their successful albums and tours and more in the 2021 documentary, The Right to Rock. To learn more about June, check out her memoir, Land of a Thousand Bridges. A second memoir is coming soon and June and sister Jean’s latest album, "Play Like a Girl" is available on Spotify and Amazon Music. June still lives by the mantra that "life is music and music is life." We are eternally grateful to her for sharing a bit of the winding path that brought her to this point, as she bravely commits to coming face-to-face with herself at every age.      The music we used in this episode includes: Ain’t That Peculiar (Fanny, 1972) Thinking of You (Fanny, 1971) It Takes a Lotta Good Lovin’ (Fanny, 1967) Charity Ball (Fanny, 1971) Changer and Changed (Cris Williamson, l975) My Love (Tret Fure, 1973)

SO 9 Episode 03: June Millington - Music is Life

We couldn't resist. We were way too curious about ChatGPT to let all of the controversy and (rightful) concern about the dangers of AI deter us from asking it about our favorite topic: the experiences of women in our second half of life. So we asked Chat to take on the persona of an older woman, "dive into the muddy waters of gender and ageism" and share "wisdom that only comes from years of livin' and loving." What we found? You be the judge. She is clearly artificial and not very intelligent but she gave us a lot to think about and had an amazingly positive view about aging. Hope she similarly inspires you, dear listener. Or as ChatGPT said when we asked her to write the blurb, "Grab your earbuds and settle in, sugar, 'cause these two old bitches got a tale or two to tell."   NOTE: In this episode, ChatGPT is played by our multi-talented producer, Katharine Heller.

SO 9 Episode 02: The Only Two-Old Bitches Interview of ChatGPT Ever!!

Two Old Bitches love a good reinvention story. By her count at 73, MaryJane Fahey is on “her 5th reinvention!” (But who’s counting?) She was a designer, published author, now an editor, writer, future playwright, future sculptor –and the list goes on. A few years ago, she started Glorious Broads, a media platform that encourages “women of all ages, younger ones especially, not to be scared of aging.” On Instagram, Tik Tok and Facebook, GB lifts up fabulous older women, “sages not saints,” living “imaginative, open, spectacular lives.” This year Glorious Broads is pitching a limited television series about the sex lives of women in the second half of life. Brimming with ideas, Maryjane is also working on a monologue about some of her icons navigating aging, and a possible theater piece. A decade or so ago –in her …fourth reinvention(?)– she co-authored  Dumped, a post-breakup bible for women. Maryjane is a Two Old Bitches kindred spirit whose motto is “It is never too late. Period. End of story.” We think you’ll enjoy listening to our conversation with this exuberant, straight talking Glorious Broad as much as we did having it.   Check out (and follow) Glorious Broads’ amazing social media on Instagram (@gloriousbroads) and TikTok (https://www.tiktok.com/@gloriousbroads?lang=en). And watch GB’s interview with Old Bitch Joanne at https://www.tiktok.com/@gloriousbroads/video/7223376161638862123?lang=en

SO5 Episode 04: Lucero Gonzalez – The Feminist Who Could (English version)

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