The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

297. Talking to Muslims About Christ | Jonathan Pageau & Mohammad Hijab

10.17.2022 - By Dr. Jordan B. PetersonPlay

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, and Mohammed Hijab discuss comparative religion, what is said about Islam verses what Islam has to say, and how the uncomfortable conversation - whether contentious or unnerving, is well worth having.

Mohammed Hijab is an author, comparative-religionist and philosopher of scripture. He is the co-founder of the Sapience Institute and is a researcher and instructor for the organization. He has a BA in Politics and a master’s degree in History. He has also acquired a second master’s in Islamic Studies from the School of Oriental and African Studies, as well as a third master’s degree in Applied Theology from the University of Oxford. Currently he is working towards his PhD in the Philosophy of Religion. Having completed Islamic seminary courses, he is one of very few Muslims who has been given formal permission to relay Islamic knowledge on selected Islamic fields, dealing with comparative, political and theological issues. In his efforts, he has amassed a substantial following on YouTube, aided in part by authoring books such as “The Scientific Deception of the New Atheists.”

Jonathan Pageau is a French-Canadian liturgical artist and icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world. He carves Eastern Orthodox and other traditional images, and teaches an online carving class. He also runs a YouTube channel dedicated to the exploration of symbolism across history and religion.

—Links—

For Mohammed Hijab:

Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHDFNoOk8WOXtHo8DIc8efQ

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mohammedhijabofficial/?hl=en

Twitter - https://twitter.com/mohammed_hijab?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Website - www.mohammedhijab.com

The Sapience Institute - https://sapienceinstitute.org/

For Jonathan Pageau:

Carvings - http://www.pageaucarvings.com

Website - www.thesymbolicworld.com

Orthodox Arts Journal - www.orthodoxartsjournal.org

Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/jonathanpageau

— Chapters —

(0:00) Coming up

(1:12) Intro

(4:16) Addressing “Message to Muslims”

(14:35) Colonial amnesia and the pattern of resentment

(15:19) Egyptian mythology and the bloodshed of the past

(21:49) Ignoring the voices of disunity

(27:53) Is there an ultimate purpose to life?

(35:42) The role of worship and ritual

(39:52) Unity is not the same as uniformity

(43:20) Belief at your own peril, deviation and depression

(50:55) Islam recognizes Jesus, but not the son of god

(59:16) We don’t know what we don’t know

(1:08:40) Belief in word vs. belief in being

(1:10:17) Why do we connect with specific scripture?

(1:23:25) You are measured by how much you can endure

(1:26:01) Would Jordan Peterson consider becoming Muslim?

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