The world of Commander has experienced a growing fissure between “casual” and “competitive” players. On this episode, we’re joined by acclaimed science communicator and avid EDH-aficionado Kyle Hill to discuss and debate the virtues of both playstyles.
Can these two very different philosophies ever learn to live together in harmony? Or is the format destined to fracture? Let’s debate!
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Kyle’s New YouTube Channel:
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The Casual vs Competitive Debate with Kyle Hill I #313

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Feeling criminal? Tired of only piloting your own deck? Why not play your opponent's instead!?

We’re here to tell you how, with our upgrade guide for the new Outlaws of Thunder Junction “Grand Larceny” (blue/black/green) precon deck. For only $50, we’ll show you which 10 cards to bring on the job, and which 10 to ditch so they don’t weigh you down. Soon, your opponent’s decks will look better than ever… sitting on YOUR battlefield!

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"Grand Larceny" Precon Upgrade Deck List:
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“Grand Larceny” Precon Upgrade | Outlaws of Thunder Junction | 602

The desert can be merciless, empty, and unforgiving. But if you know where to look, there’s beauty to be found… in our mighty-fine Thunder Junction “Desert Bloom” (white/red/green) precon upgrade guide!

As always we’ll bring you 10 cards to add to your travel pack, and 10 that you should desert in the desert, all for under $50. With these upgrades at your side, we reckon it’ll be your opponents who are left high and dry at your next game night.

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"Desert Bloom" Precon Upgrade Deck List:
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Murders at Karlov Manor w/ Arin Hanson | Game Knights 67:
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“Desert Bloom” Precon Upgrade | Outlaws of Thunder Junction | 601

In the Wild West, there are only two types of people: the quick and the dead. If you don’t want to be the latter, then you’re going to need a deck that can keep up! 

Well don’t worry, today we’re bringing you the upgrade guide for the new Outlaws of Thunder Junction “Quick Draw” (red/blue) precon deck. We’ll lay out the 10 cards (for under $50) that you should have in your holster and 10 you can leave in the dust. So at your next game night, take out your opponents before they know what hit em!

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ARCHIDEKT:
Discover, build, catalog, and playtest on Archidekt, the deck-building website that makes it easy to brew brand new lists or manage your old favorites. Go to http://www.archidekt.com/commandzone to get started today! 

ULTRAPRO:
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The Preview Panel | MagicCon Chicago:
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We Draft the Best Planeswalkers in Commander | The Command Zone 595:
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Do This One Thing to Win More Games | How to Playtest | The Command Zone 596:
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One of the Last Navajo Code Talkers Shares Their Stories:
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American Indian Code Talkers:
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“Quick Draw” Precon Upgrade | Outlaws of Thunder Junction | 600

It’s High Noon! And that means it’s time for some rootin’ tootin’ new commanders. 

Luckily, Magic’s latest set Outlaws of Thunder Junction has rustled up all sorts of strong legends. So when you’re putting together your next 100-card posse and need a tough customer to lead it, look no further than these dastardly desperados. We’ve got the synergies and strategies that’ll help you get that big score at your next game night, so saddle up – it’s gonna be a wild ride!

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For details on how to enter, plus rules and restrictions, follow the link: https://commandzone.com/be-a-guest-on-extra-turns/

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CARD KINGDOM:
The Command Zone is sponsored by Card Kingdom! If you want to receive your cards in one safe package and experience the best customer service, make sure to order your Magic cards, sealed product, accessories, and more at Card Kingdom: http://www.cardkingdom.com/command 

ARCHIDEKT:
Discover, build, catalog, and playtest on Archidekt, the deck-building website that makes it easy to brew brand new lists or manage your old favorites. Go to http://www.archidekt.com/commandzone to get started today! 

ULTRAPRO:
Huge thanks to UltraPro for sponsoring this episode! Be sure to check out their PRO GLOSS eclipse sleeves and super classy MYTHIC COLLECTION deck boxes. If you want to keep your cards protected and support the show, visit: https://ultrapro.com/command

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Do This One Thing to Win More Games | How to Playtest | The Command Zone 596:
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Most Powerful Commanders from Outlaws of Thunder Junction | 599

Thunder Junction previews have been full of tough characters: outlaws, varmints, ne'er-do-wells and more. But today, we’re bringing you the baddest of the bad, as we reveal the entire list for the Mardu (white, black, and red) “Most Wanted” precon deck from Outlaws of Thunder Junction! We’ll be covering the whole posse of new cards, including two never-before-seen legends. There’s trouble brewing, and you won’t want to be anywhere else!

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“Most Wanted” Decklist:
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AUDITION FOR EXTRA TURNS:
Think you have what it takes to play on Extra Turns? Then don’t miss your chance to audition for a spot on the show! If selected, we’ll fly you out to sunny Los Angeles, California to meet the Command Zone crew and show off your Commander chops as a special guest!

For details on how to enter, plus rules and restrictions, follow the link: https://commandzone.com/be-a-guest-on-extra-turns/

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KINFIRE DELVE: 
Want a whole lot of game for just $20 bucks? Order Kinfire Delve: Scorn’s Stockade now and use code COMMAND10 at checkout for 10% off at https://www.kinfiredelve.com/

RAYCON:
RayCon wireless earbuds look, feel, and sound better than ever! To save 20 % on your entire order and get free shipping go to https://www.buyraycon.com/command 

VESSI:
Elevate your summer activities with Vessi shoes. Get your pair today and get an automatic 15% off your first purchase by going to vessi.com/COMMANDZONE 

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CARD KINGDOM:
The Command Zone is sponsored by Card Kingdom! If you want to receive your cards in one safe package and experience the best customer service, make sure to order your Magic cards, sealed product, accessories, and more at Card Kingdom: http://www.cardkingdom.com/command 

ARCHIDEKT:
Discover, build, catalog, and playtest on Archidekt, the deck-building website that makes it easy to brew brand new lists or manage your old favorites. Go to http://www.archidekt.com/commandzone to get started today! 

ULTRAPRO:
Huge thanks to UltraPro for sponsoring this episode! Be sure to check out their PRO GLOSS eclipse sleeves and super classy MYTHIC COLLECTION deck boxes. If you want to keep your cards protected and support the show, visit: https://ultrapro.com/command

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Support the production of /HAAW/ :
https://seedandspark.com/fund/haaw#story

Kathleen De Vere:
Twitter: @kathleen_lrr

Jon Salmon:
Instagram: @jonsalmon

Joey Scoma:
Twitter: @joey2meals

Budget Battle w/ the Nitpicking Nerds | Extra Turns 45:
https://youtu.be/5KfAI3KMOm8?si=kNJG8WFFlLOPjIzb

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The Casual vs Competitive Debate with Kyle Hill I #313

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