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#610: The Life-Extension Episode — Dr. Matt Kaeberlein on The Dog Aging Project, Rapamycin, Metformin, Spermidine, NAD+ Precursors, Urolithin A, Acarbose, and Much More

07.27.2022 - By Tim Ferriss: Bestselling Author, Human Guinea PigPlay

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Dr. Matt Kaeberlein (@mkaeberlein) is a professor of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology at the University of Washington School of Medicine, with adjunct appointments in Genome Sciences and Oral Health Sciences. Dr. Kaeberlein’s research interests are focused on understanding biological mechanisms of aging in order to facilitate translational interventions that promote healthspan and improve quality of life for people and companion animals.

Dr. Kaeberlein is the founding director of the University of Washington Healthy Aging and Longevity Research Institute, the director of the NIH Nathan Shock Center of Excellence in the Basic Biology of Aging at the University of Washington, director of the Biological Mechanisms of Healthy Aging Training Program, and founder and co-director of the Dog Aging Project.

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[06:44] What is aging biology?

[08:43] How Matt pivoted from mathematics to biology.

[11:46] What is the Dog Aging Project?

[13:42] Understanding healthspan through Matt’s frozen shoulder ordeal.

[20:23] Rapamycin vs. sterile inflammation.

[23:07] Current thoughts about how the immune system changes as we age.

[29:11] Anti-aging uses for rapamycin (and potential risks/side effects).

[42:20] Rapamycin and the Dog Aging Project.

[45:30] Rapamycin vs. neurodegeneration.

[48:21] What studies tell us about rapamycin’s potential to increase lifespan.

[51:30] Rapamycin alternatives considered for the Dog Aging Project.

[57:05] Urolithin A and spermidine.

[59:45] 17 alpha estradiol.

[1:01:47] Deprenyl.

[1:03:54] NAD precursors.

[1:05:52] What is Matt doing to increase his own lifespan/healthspan?

[1:09:00] Is time-restricted feeding beneficial for dogs?

[1:17:08] Currently, how well (or poorly) funded is longevity research?

[1:22:02] Where additional funding in this field would be best leveraged.

[1:35:19] Cutting through the hype and snake oil.

[1:42:26] Metformin.

[1:45:24] NAD infusion vs. natural NAD replenishment.

[1:48:16] Sirtuins.

[1:52:30] Resveratrol.

[2:08:58] Is there a fix to liability in defensive medicine?

[2:10:48] Finding better motivations for scientific pursuit.

[2:15:48] Longevity scientists worth checking out.

[2:17:39] Getting involved with the Dog Aging Project / parting thoughts.

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