Leadership, especially in ministry, can be lonely.

In this conversation, I got to sit down in person with pastor, bestselling author, and leadership expert, Carey Nieuwhof. We were surrounded by a room full of pastors and ministry leaders to talk about what it really looks like to lead well without losing your soul.

We talk about the difference between real friendships and deal friendships, how to spot false intimacy, and why real connection matters more than ever.

At the end, you'll also hear some honest questions from the room. The kind every leader wrestles with but rarely says out loud.

It's a real, hope-filled conversation for anyone who leads, loves the church, or just wants to follow Jesus well between your Sundays.

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