In this episode, Craig & Nikki are joined by Katie Iles, Associate Pastor at Journey UC in Adelaide and a keynote speaker for Hello Clarity - a social research company specialising in generational change, demographics and social trends. Katie recently toured Australia with Mark Sayers presenting a bunch of the latest Barna research on generational change in the Church. It’s gooooood stuff. In this conversation, Katie talks about the current relationship between the church and secular...