In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, self-reflection, and personal growth shape the health of a marriage. Together, they unpack the coping patterns that can disrupt relationships and offer transformative steps toward healing and connection—reminding us that the gospel brings renewal to both the individual and the marriage.

Find full shownotes and resources on the episode page at perimeter.org/DiggingDeeper.