In this episode recorded live at EODF 2024 in Milan, we sit down with David Plink, CEO of the Top Employers Institute, for a raw and inspiring conversation on what it really takes to lead lasting organizational change.

Hosted by Tim Brewer and Damian Bramanis, David reflects on his 16-year journey leading a global certification body across 30+ nationalities—from recovering after a life-changing illness to transforming a near-bankrupt company into a purpose-driven global movement.

He shares candid stories and hard-won insights, including:

⚖️ Three essential dilemmas every leader faces in org design:

1. People follow strategy vs. People first

2. Big bang vs. Slow burn change

3. Soft approach vs. Ripping off the bandaid

🌍 Why purpose and people development are non-negotiables in modern leadership

💬 How clear communication and embracing uncertainty build safety for change

🧭 Why “clarity is kindness” and sometimes the bravest choice is the hardest one

This episode is a masterclass in empathetic leadership, adaptive strategy, and organizational courage. Whether you’re a CEO, HR leader, or change agent—this one will stay with you.

🎧 Listen now to rethink how you lead through complexity.

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