John sits down with Kirk Morledge, pastor of First Presbyterian Church in Waunakee, WI, to celebrate thirty years in the pulpit and a career of service that includes multiple tours abroad as a U.S. Navy chaplain. Rev. Kirk reflects on his childhood in Madison, his call to ministry, the idea of "institutional ministry," and the many lessons he's learned as a pastor and leader.

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.