We had an excellent time with Todd Murray, Pastor of Family Ministries at Grace Immanuel Bible Church and faculty member at The Expositors Seminary. He shared his insights on John Newton’s legacy, the power of hymns, and the heart of pastoral ministry. As the author of Beyond Amazing Grace: Timeless Pastoral Wisdom from the Letters, Hymns, and Sermons of John Newton, Todd reflected on his deep appreciation for Newton’s writings, his work in training future pastors, and the role of biblical counseling in the church. This conversation was rich with history, theology, and heartfelt reflections on grace and trials.