This week, on the PRmoment Podcast, I’m pleased to welcome founder and managing director of W Communications Warren Johnson.

Warren established W nine years ago and the business now has a fee income of circa £7.5m. W is the largest of a group of independent consumer agencies in London which are leading PR’s fight for creative work.

Here is a flavour of what Warren and I discussed:

• Why he once left a career in PR to be become a builder

• Why if you’ve worked for someone for 10 years – you don’t really know what you know.

• Why he didn’t want to start W Communications

• Why Warren fell out of love with PR – first-time round

• Why Warren is a better senior PR person than a junior PR person

• Why Warren is ultimately driven by commercial success, not the quality of work

• Why people who confuse PR as a form of art are misguided

• Why Warren decided to self-fund his business, rather than taking backing or getting a partner

• What the growth path was of W Communications, from year one to now

• Why you work harder if you don’t have a backer

• Why PR firms shouldn’t need investment

• Why a sole owner business is often more collaborative

• Why Warren is more proud about his business success, than PR success.

• How W has kept growing and broken the £7m fee income barrier

• Why Warren has never written a business plan for W

• Why Warren believes any proper entrepreneur has to blend their business and personal lives

• Why social energy creates opportunity

• Why W bought in Mark Perkins as executive creative director and Adam Mack as CEO about a year ago

• Why W has bought a number of smaller PR firms in recent years

• Why W has managed to win larger clients in the last 12 months

• How PR firms with circa £1m fee income often struggle to grow

• Warren’s regrets and learnings about the House PR integration with W Communications

• Why Warren doesn’t want to buy firms and merge them into W Communications

• Why Warren has not sold W Communications

• Why, if an independent business is growing, most deals mean that the buyer is paying the founder from his or her own profits

• Why Warren expects a new wave of buyers for PR firms in the next five years

• Why PR people are the most agile and entrepreneurial of all the marcoms disciplines

• Why Warren believes PR firms will be competing with ad agencies for the big creative budgets sooner than people think

• Why the PR industry needs more swagger