We talk about therapy, stories we tell, the effects of quarantine, how to have a conversation about race, how to build trust and what statues should be torn down. This was a a great conversation and our longest podcast yet. Roy White is a therapist, father, a friend and my guest on this episode of the Pilgrim Podcast. 

0:00 Intro 

3:20 What is Psychotherapy? 

8:20 Roy's therapy practice 

11:11 The role of story 

22:11 Coronavirus quarantine 

31:02 How are people handling the pandemic? 

40:25 How do we have a conversation about race? 

50:39 The fear of talking about race. 

58:25 Are you hopeful? 

1:05:35 Risk and Respect 

1:12:13 Are our father's sins too great? 

1:17:15 Tearing down statues 

1:26:06 How to smoke a brisket