I was able to talk with Vanessa Loder, Co-Founder of Mindfulness Based Achievement. She succeeded traditionally (think Stanford Business School, Private Equity Finance job) but wasn't fulfilled or very happy. After diving into spiritual practices and leaning into her questions about her personal fulfillment, Vanessa put herself on notice and left her stable position for the literal unknown. We dig right down and discuss lots including: Her process of leaving high powered finance position to taking an entrepreneurial path, her initial steps in making her change - including what the "Reluctant Psychic" told her, why she skipped being very "traditional MBA" about her new business, how her first big sale ended up devastating her and producing a lot shame. (And how it turned out to be a blessing in disguise!), the highest quality attention she can give her daughter, what keeps her up at night, plus a lot more!