Rafael is joined by David Luecke, the Author of FeathersJS, a nodeJS backend framework that focuses on quickly developing real-time web apps. They discuss some of the way feathers has evolved over time, some of the ways abstracting away boiler-plate can actually result in concretely more flexible and performant products, and how David thinks about the division between core and peripheral modules. David also speaks very excitedly about deno, and some upcoming projects dealing with peer to peer applications.