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What if productivity was less about doing more and more about choosing what truly matters?

A single phrase sparks a powerful reflection on how we define productivity and whether our choices actually serve us. Through stories from the very beginning of a career in art therapy, early entrepreneurship, and moments shaped by illness, family, and persistence, this conversation explores how time can be shaped by values rather than pressure. Productivity becomes less about efficiency and more about intention, relationships, and building a life that fits who you are.

Time spent building connection, character, and clarity is never wasted, even when the path feels slow or uncertain. When you invest your minutes in people, purpose, and what truly matters, productivity takes on an entirely new meaning.

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