In part 2/2 of our interview, Barb and I talk about the value and power of career changers and self-taught coders, the concept of “second skilling”, why it’s important for anybody to learn programming principles, and we even get into some spicy discourse about the need to shake traditional academia free of well-meaning—but ultimately ineffective—teaching methods.

For show notes, key moments, and episode details, visit the episode page: http://www.lavieencode.net/podcast/006-science-of-learning-with-barbara-oakley-part-2.