We talk with Svetlana Shapovaliants about her Clean journey, Clean Language in Russia, and the origins of #DramaFree.

This episode was recorded after we attended a Systemic Modelling 3-day rolling programme in West Kirby, delivered by Caitlin Walker and Svetlana.

You can find Svetlana’s company Ancora Impario at https://ancoraimparo.ru/