In this episode, host Jaren Barnes chats with marketing expert Perry Marshall about his unique background and perspective on leadership. 
From his time in Amway to his insights on being a "mom or dad" beyond traditional family roles, Perry offers valuable lessons on personal growth and success. 
Join Jaren and Perry for a fun and thought-provoking conversation on marketing, entrepreneurship, and the importance of tough love.
Tune in to this episode of the Land Maverick Podcast for an unfiltered, no-holds-barred discussion that's sure to make you laugh, think, and maybe even shed a tear or two.