On APX, Chris sits down to have a chat with Carolyn Deck - Kiwi-born, Aussie-made and US-centric.

Carolyn has been up, down-under and all around with her life in and out of air travel and has been independent, raising boys as both a free-minded and burning adventurous parent and has now compiled her experiences, along with her faith as a Christian in her new book, Above The Turbulence.

The two talk faith, leadership and also share a hearty and lighthearted spin about the communal passion of rugby.

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