Every movement needs allies, but all allies don't know how they can be most effective in their activism. In this episode, I talk to Lisa Marie Hayes who I've coined "a cool ass White Lady" as we talk about how she came to be as conscious as she is today, how she became such a passionate ally, and advice for other White people who want to understand their place in today's climate.

Lisa founded Washington For Good Policing W4PG.COM to bring police accountability to Washington State. I met her through an initiative last year and have admired her tenacity and transparency. Lisa's not afraid to ask my unabashed opinion on certain subjects, because she understands she doesn't have the "Black Perspective," and I always give it to her.