Violet and McCartney begin a discussion on traditions and gender norms, prompted by a passage from Peggy Rude’s My Husband Wears My Clothes about rigid conditioning around what men and women “should” do. Violet reflects on initial fear and hesitation when Katrina wanted to go out in public, realizing the reaction centered on social expectations and personal embarrassment rather than Katrina’s needs. They compare historical and cultural examples of shifting gendered clothing and labor roles, changing color norms like pink for men, and discuss stereotypes that still sharply separate “male” and “female” traits.

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