Terry watched Wolf of Wall Street and it really stuck with him. Which is to say, it made him ponder deeply on the heroics of being selfless by showing the complete opposite. The guys both hesitate to name their heroes directly, which is a slight cop out.

14m 9s Check out “On Heroes, Hero-Worship, and The Heroic in History” by Thomas Carlyle if you’re looking for a take on the cultural role of heroes contextualized across history.

17m 24s Jeffrey Wigand was a corporate whistleblower whose story was captured in the film “The Insider” and also on his wikipedia page. The guys agree it’s easier to see the little guy as the hero.

48m 55s Sometimes, the algorithm delivers. Check out Martin Scorsese’s “The Wolf of Wall Street” if you’ve been living under a rock and somehow have not heard of this parable of greed and hedonism.

64m Bobbi Althoff is tearing up Instagram and TikTok by tearing down celebrities like Drake and Shaquille O’Neal.