In this episode, Michael and Jonathan talk about our thoughts on the difference between Shodan and 1st Degree Black Belt and what we think a Shodan should be.

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Way of the Fist is brought to you by co-host Michael Hagen, chief instructor at Apex Karate Performance. Michael trains in Shima-Ha Shorin Ryu and Yamanni Chinen Ryu bojutsu. Find Michael at: https://www.instagram.com/michaelhagenkarate/ and https://www.instagram.com/apexkarateperformance/

Co-host Jonathan Seavey is the owner and chief instructor of the Kokorozashi Dojo, in Virginia, USA. Jonathan is a Okinawa Goju Ryu and Matayoshi kobudo practitioner. Find Jonathan at: https://www.instagram.com/jseavey67/