In this episode, AusCERT features the following guests:

> Eric Pinkerton, Phronesis Security

> Mark Carey-Smith, AusCERT

Anthony sits down with Eric Pinkerton CEO to discuss if there is lessons to be learnt from how peoples behaviour changed during the pandemic that we can use to influence cyber.

Bek returns with colleague Mark Carey-Smith to chat about the importance of how we communicate and the range of people focused tutorials and presentations at this years AusCERT conference.

This episode was hosted by Anthony Caruana and Bek Cheb.