This week’s guest is Liz Darby, a former government researcher, policymaker, and lobbyist working in the field of healthcare. Liz discusses how her own view of politics changed from her conservative upbringing to her embrace of liberalism in the 1970s, what her professional life was like, and the ways national politics seemed to change during her time in Washington, DC, from the late-1970s to the early-21st century.

This episode also features "Cold Black Line," an original song by Ashleigh Flynn & the Riveters.