In this episode of Oh Boy, host Jay and Elle.com news writer/MR contributor Mattie Kahn discuss her career path, how her initial dream of working in fashion led her to covering the 2016 presidential election, her detour into chef whites, Britney Spears and the wonders of cold emailing. It's an entertaining listen, but it's also one that just might light a fire under your butt if you've recently been thinking about what you want to do and wondering how you're supposed to do it.

Want more Mattie? @mattiekahn

Want more Jay? @beardwizard

Edited by Jay Buim

Produced by Kate Barnett