Sometimes the most structured and predictable situations can suddenly go unpredictably off-script, in the very best ways. 
Laura and I started off this episode by following a literal script about Frederick Baer, who committed a truly horrible pair of murders while coming off a meth binge, and we ended up immersed in a very real conversation about what that could possibly have to do with a mother and grandmother facing theft charges.
It went deep, in a beautiful way. Thanks again to Laura for her openness and courage.   
Promos by The Frankenpod and What the Actual Faith... 
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Art, as always and amazingly, by Emily. Music by onlymeith.