Ian Freestone sits down with Chair of Hope Media and ex-NSW politician in the portfolios of education, community services and treasury, Stephen O’Doherty, to discuss everything from Sydney’s extended Covid lockdown to mindfulness. Stephen gives his thoughts on the current status of the teaching profession, the place of creativity in a sea of demands, why retirement is a misnomer for someone with passion and why belonging to community groups is essential to an animated life. It’s an engaging and informative chat that even includes an excerpt from one of Stephen’s musical compositions!