Long one! We get carried away toward the end in a conversation about "putting yourself out there" and getting comfortable with discomfort. Prior to that, Kijiji//Craigslist, J's experimentation with a plant-based diet, "zero steps to optimal living", the phenomenon of cultural shift, a real-life 'This Is Water' moment, bracing for 30 and more. This felt possibly the most like a conversation we'd have 'off air' of any of the episodes we've done.

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