Effie and Seamus sit down (remotely) with Kim Kelly to talk about her writing, organizing, and experience with Andy Ngo. We talk about nature of journalism, writing, and how Kim remains unapologetic about her values and politics amidst her work.

Some of the myriad of places you can read Kim's incredible work:

https://www.teenvogue.com/contributor/kim-kelly

https://twitter.com/GrimKim

You can support her on patreon here!

https://www.patreon.com/kimkelly

Intro / Outro music: "The Movement" by Mic Crenshaw (used with permission):

https://www.miccrenshaw.com/