In this episode, we talk with storyteller and columnist Carlos Garbiras about the messy, unexpected path that often leads to the most meaningful work.

From weird jobs to creative pivots, Carlos shares how detours can help you figure out what actually makes sense for you.

We talk about:

• How culture can shape the way we see our careers

• The odd jobs that ended up teaching him the most

• Finding joy in the process (even when things don’t go to plan)

• Building a creative identity

• Redefining what success really means

It’s a fun, honest conversation for anyone figuring it out as they go.

Check out Carlos’s work at thestoryframe.com.