Brenna Rubio and Bill White Co-Pastor City Church Long Beach and also founded Small Church Big Table to help deconstructing faith leaders dismantle toxic leadership patterns and learn power-sharing practices to build potent, inclusive communities.

They share with us about what it's like to co-pastor a church, how to share power without just swinging the pendulum from one way of thinking about leadership structures and power to completely dismantling all structure and creating chaos, and even some practical tools to help with the way we lead meetings.