What if math felt like a playground instead of a test?

In this episode, I sit down with Cindy Lawrence, executive director and CEO of the National Museum of Mathematics (MoMath) in New York City and one of its visionary founders. We explore Cindy’s math story, from second-grade struggles to rediscovering wonder through museum-making.

We talk about the emotions that live inside math — joy, struggle, curiosity — and what it means to feel seen, safe, and celebrated as a math person. From riding a square-wheeled tricycle to the upcoming MoMath expansion, Cindy shares how the museum turns awe-inspiring math into a full-body experience.

Whether you're a teacher, student, parent, or just someone who’s ever said “I’m not a math person,” this episode will challenge that narrative and invite you to play with math in new ways.

Vist MoMath in NYC

!https://momath.org/